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My question is in the header. It would seem to be a major environmental benefit if toilets used saltwater in stead of potable fresh water, right?

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    In Hong Kong in the 1950s seawater was introduced for flushing toilets. Now, 80% of toilets in Hong Kong flush with seawater. – user44811 Aug 1 '17 at 16:20
  • I guess this depends on the country. Here in Switzerland pure watter is common and salt water is rare. – Bregalad May 8 at 9:33
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The main answer is logistical. Building a network of pipes to bring water to houses is a major effort, and most places where that's been done found it extremely expensive. Providing a second set of pipes to bring salt water to houses would probably cost about the same. Except that cities go to considerable lengths to put their water reservoirs above the city as far as possible so they don't have to use as much energy for pumping. The few cities with seawater above them pay a lot to pump water out.

A minor secondary problem is that sewage treatment plants are fairly heavily biological. They grow things in the sewage to break it down. But most of those things won't grow in salt water. It's already a challenge keeping toxic chemicals out of the sewage. For this to work it might be necessary to add a second set of sewer pipes to carry the water away, and develop new methods of treating that salty sewage (the treated sewage couldn't be spread on farmland, for example)

It would be far simpler, cheaper and more reliable to simply buy everyone a composting toilet to replace each toilet they currently have. As a halfway measure, mandating more economical toilets would help, as would education campaigns like the ones encouraging people not to flush at all when they urinate. Even with a sensible cistern that has a 2 litre "half flush", that's two litres wasted every time someone pees.

Plus, salt is no good for pipes. A lot of pipes even today are clay are concrete, and salt water is bad for both of those. It's not impossible to get around that, just expensive.

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    Another relatively simple approach would be to recycle greywater (e.g. shower waste) for flushing. Rainwater is an option in some areas. The only places where salt water might be a good idea are those where desalination is necessary however efficient water use is (and where greywater can be used for watering crops) – Chris H Jun 19 '16 at 6:04
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    A friend did research (M.Sc. dissertation) on coastal houses with septic tank and french drain sewerage disposal (think more holiday cottages than coastal city). This involved taking and analyzing water samples at various points on land and in the sea. She found that wave action provided good oxygenation and adequate breakdown for safe limits. You be surprised how much microbiology there is in the sea (adapted to the environment) :-) Not a direct answer to your question, but might give some additional pointers re. this answer. (The dissertation was not in English and I can't find it online...) – fr13d Jun 20 '16 at 10:31
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Catalina Island does use salt water for toilets. It's a small community, however, and they seem to be shifting towards freshwater due to corrosion issues inherent to salt water utilization.

From Catalina Island & Drinking Water:

Saltwater used for toilet-flushing and fire suppression purposes is simply filtered as it is not intended to be potable.

Unique issues for wastewater treatment include the high salt content of the wastewater resulting from the City’s use of salt water for toilet flushing throughout the system; and very large differences between average and peak flow loadings resulting from the varying tourist population

It was discovered that the use of saltwater for wastewater purposes leads to corrosion of the laterals. A majority of the laterals were broken or cracked, causing wastewater from the homes in Avalon to enter the groundwater system

The blog post has references for further reading.

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It might even be more environmentally friendly to dispense with using flush toilets altogether by switching to using negative pressure toilets. Vacuum toilets are used on planes and also help to remove the unwanted odours as well as prevent the toilet plume aerosol caused by flush toilets. Vacuum toilets are available commercially for domestic use and use a small amount of water for washing the toilet bowl.

The collected waste can then be safely composted. And in space, it can potentially be recycled for use as food.

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Navy/Marine ships usually have two systems to handle water, in separate tanks:

Ships use salt water from the fire main for flushing, and to clean out the CHT (shit, which is used when sewage can't be dumped, or to process before dumping over the side) tank, so some toilets do use salt water, and other ones don't. They do this because using fresh water can be taxing on the water tanks. Also the CHT tanks have more cleaning enzymes than potable water would have available to it.

  • Can you possibly expand that answer a little, as I'm not sure what a CHT is in this context, or how using water could damage a tank, or for that matter how salt water has more cleaning enzymes in it. I don't doubt your answer, it just seems to be concise due to being mostly jargon. – Móż Jul 1 '16 at 1:14
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https://cen.acs.org/articles/93/web/2015/11/Flushing-Toilets-Seawater-Protect-Marine.html

This article talks about an example where this is used!

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    Please do not write link-only answers on SE sites. Can you include (quote) the essential parts in your answer here. – Jan Doggen Mar 22 '18 at 21:07

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