I was about to post a quick question, trying to figure out the comparison for a Hyundai i30 2018 model vs Prius C, then went down a rabbit hole for a couple of hours.
I'm waaaay out of my depth here, so trying to piece together our situation for two cars we're considering.
The end result (TL;DR) is the Prius C or Prius produce way lower CO2 including battery production than the Hyundai i30, (14.09 Tonnes less).
However, the Prius C is too small for us and Prius is $10k over our budget. So I looked into the cost of offsetting that much CO2 and it came in at $190, if we pay 10X that to make $1900 + a Hyundai i30 is within our budget and reduces our CO2 impact.
This is my thought process and calculations to make a decision about buying an environmentally efficient car.
Our main considerations are buying relatively new (2-3 yrs old), the largest boot size we can get in a tiny car (in case we have kids), spending under 20k (we'll be selling our Subaru for about that much) and environmental efficiency, hence moving from the Subaru.
I love the long post by @LShaver but I feel like you should use CO2 emitted by each vehicle per mile/KM, not per gallon/litre. Because their CO2 efficiency is different.
Is that a fair comment to make? Maybe it ends up being the same, I'm very confused.
The other question I have is I imagine the CO2 emitted when producing batteries will improve over time, so in the 2 years since this post, these calculations might be out of date? But I couldn't find any newer data, after reading 5X technical battery specification PDFS, I gave up.
If I compare them on these data points.
Prius C
- 0.9 kWh Nickel-metal hydride
- 0.35 kg CO2eq / Wh (Above, I couldn't find a more up to date stat)
- 86 g/km (Green Vehicle Guide)
- 3.9 l/100 km (Test)
Hyundai i30 Diesel
- 157 g/km (Green Vehicle Guide)
- 3.8 l/100 km (Test)
Fuel & CO2 stats from this source
Scenario 100,000 km
Prius C
- Driving CO2: 100,000 km x 86 g = 8,600,000g = 8.6 Tonnes
- Battery: 900 Wh x 0.35 kg CO2eq = 315 kg = 0.315 Tonnes
- Total: 8.915 Tonnes
Hyundai i30 Diesel
- Driving CO2: 100,000 km x 157 g = 15,700,000g = 15.7 Tonnes
- Total: 15.7 Tonnes
Clearly way more in that scenario, and the distance of break even would be very low KMs.
The difference in fuel consumption is nominal, 0.1 l/100 km, only adding up to 100L over 100,000 km.
Our scenario: 11,500 km/year for 5 years
Prius C
- Driving CO2: 11,500 km x 86 g = 989,000g = 0.99 Tonnes / year x 5 years = 4.95 Tonnes
- Battery: 900 Wh x 0.35 kg CO2eq = 315 kg = 0.315 Tonnes
- Total: 5.265 Tonnes
Hyundai i30 Diesel
- Driving CO2: 11,500 km x 157 g = 1,805,500g = 1.8 Tonnes / year X 5 years = 9.01 Tonnes
- Total: 9.01 Tonnes
Also, I feel true life cycle should consider the life after we use it, as someone else will benefit from it's CO2 reduction. Average use is 10.2 years in Australia.
Let's say, it goes for 200,000 km, just double the stats above, obviously it's just going to get better for the Prius C.
Prius C
- Driving CO2: 17.2 Tonnes
- Battery: 0.315 Tonnes
- Total: 17.315 Tonnes
Hyundai i30 Diesel
- Driving CO2: 31.4 Tonnes
- Total: 31.4 Tonnes
Then I realised the boot size of the Prius C is TINY, so have to consider the latest Gen Prius which is $10-20k more expensive, previous Gen $5-20k, so this is now becoming theoretical....
But looking at the 2nd Generation the battery is 1.310 kWh and CO2 90 g/km , only marginally different, so wont impact the results.
So the question becomes should we spend an additional $5-10k for an older Prius to save 14.085 Tonnes of CO2...
That made me think, what's the cost of offsetting that CO2? (Goes down another Google rabbit hole...) It's really confusing a) if CO2 offsetting is meaningful, and which providers are legitimate.
This government website linked me to a bunch of retailers and half their websites were broken or confusing. http://marketplace.carbonmarketinstitute.org/market-directory/
Whilst these projects may not entirely counteract your own actions or really meet the definition of an “offset”, they are still driving conservation efforts and green research. Carbon offsets are not ideal, but they are an imperfect solution to a complicated problem. At the very least, it remains a mechanism to channel much-needed investment into green energy and conservation. Forbes
This website calculated that many Tonnes costs $130-$190 to offset, which seems very low. Let's say we spend 10X that to really make sure it's offsetting our Hyundai i30 purchase, that's $1300-$1900, well within our budget and hopefully meaningful...?